(Also see http://exubf.blogspot.com/2007/12/daniel-choi.html and http://exubf.blogspot.com/2007/05/michael-keenan.html.)
Date: Sat, Nov 5, 2005
I was recruited by Jacob Lee into the Washington Chapter of UBF in October of 1980. I can give testimony of their abuses because of the destruction they caused in my life. I escaped them in 1985, at which point Jacob Lee condemned me to Hell, saying that I was "falling back" and would be "destroyed". Of course, they back every one of their actions with misinterpreted scriptures. For this one he used Hebrews 10, emphasizing to me 10:39. Their keen abuse of the scriptures is what makes them particularly dangerous to young, learning, open-minded college students.
... Thanks, and excellent job researching the global destruction this authoritarian group has done!
Mike D.
Some accounts of former (sometimes current) members of the University Bible Fellowship and their friends and families. This is a continuation of a project begun at exubf.info.
Friday, August 22, 2008
Thursday, August 7, 2008
Andrew (former Kiev UBF)
( Posted at http://community.livejournal.com/rsqubf/77357.html . Parts translated from a Russian discussion board at http://jesuschrist.ru/forum/334275,,1.php . See also http://exubf.blogspot.com/2008/01/andrei-s-former-kiev-ubf.html )
17th-Jun-2006
Author: hdchris
Andrew, who left Kiev UBF 4 years ago, gives some insights into what is going on in Kiev UBF, by compiling a list of “abnormal” things he experienced during his membership. He asked his discussion partner, another Kiev UBF member, who is still in UBF and tried to defend UBF in the discussion, to comment these things and admit they are true and how he thinks about these. Of course, he did not get a comment about any of these concrete issues.
...
I decided to translate the issues he mentions, because they once again affirm that UBF abuse is the same everywhere in the world:
* Andrew and his elder brother Ivan were down with influenza and temperature above 39C. Yet, they were commanded to attend a meeting. Ivan did not attend the meeting, therefore his wedding was postponed. Andrew – being younger and not so courageous to decline – attended the meeting that lasted after midnight when there was scarce public transport. After that, he got a sever pneumonia and later bronchitis, which healed completely only after leaving UBF, because in UBF he had never enough time to rest and recover.
* Andrey said the leader propagated wrong information about me and my wife (who was from Kiev) after we left UBF, in order to put us in a bad light
* Before conferences, they had 15 different meetings a week in Kiev (in Heidelberg, it was similar, by the way) where they had to come to the center
* The leader ordered some to run to the station, singing songs. Those who refused to run were kicked out.
* Those who came late to the meetings were ordered to buy food for the others (which is costly and time-consuming in Kiev)
* Those who wanted to visit their parents in the summer holidays were publicly dispraised
* It was not allowed to date or to marry without approval of the pastor
* Those members who attended other churches in Kiev were considered “lost sheep”
* You could not be in a good standing with UBF without attending *all* meetings
* One shepherdess was told to come to a meeting, although she had fever and her infant at home
* When the wife of the leader left the hospital in order to attend a UBF meeting, though she was on a drip, this was presented as exemplary behavior
* If you leave Kiev and visit another church in another town, you are denounced by the leader
* For those who lived in “common life” apartments it was mandatory to attend the early morning meeting at 6:30am in the center
* Those who are not active in the church are regularly criticized in public
* The leader blamed the members with the words “even my children (3 and 10 years old) are giving more tithes than you do”
* The members are told to obey *everything* the leader commands, even if it seems to be false
* Every week you need to write a “sogam” with a list of your own problems and application of the Bible to your life, and have to share it in public. Those who do not write are publicly denounced.
* UBF exerts “training” for “spiritual education”. Some demands of these trainings are given as if they came out of the mouth of Jesus Christ directly. Only God can demand such things from others.
* In Kiev, one of the trainings was to hold a chair over the head (even the person who was defending UBF in that discussion was among the people who were trained that way).
* If you missed the early morning meetings, sometimes money was collected as a punitive measure.
* The leader regularly said “we are the disciples of Jesus Christ, we are more similar to the first church, in other churches the people compromise”
* You were not allowed to miss the many meetings during the preparation phase for the conferences.
* The leader said “I regret having founded the marriage of Ivan and Ira”
I can also add another story I was told by another ex Kiev UBF member. He once missed the Sunday service, because he drove to another town. When he came back, he was kicked out of his home (a UBF “brothers’ common life” apartment) by the leader (though the leader of course was not even living in that apartment), and he had to spend the night in the railway station. That happened in winter.
17th-Jun-2006
Author: hdchris
Andrew, who left Kiev UBF 4 years ago, gives some insights into what is going on in Kiev UBF, by compiling a list of “abnormal” things he experienced during his membership. He asked his discussion partner, another Kiev UBF member, who is still in UBF and tried to defend UBF in the discussion, to comment these things and admit they are true and how he thinks about these. Of course, he did not get a comment about any of these concrete issues.
...
I decided to translate the issues he mentions, because they once again affirm that UBF abuse is the same everywhere in the world:
* Andrew and his elder brother Ivan were down with influenza and temperature above 39C. Yet, they were commanded to attend a meeting. Ivan did not attend the meeting, therefore his wedding was postponed. Andrew – being younger and not so courageous to decline – attended the meeting that lasted after midnight when there was scarce public transport. After that, he got a sever pneumonia and later bronchitis, which healed completely only after leaving UBF, because in UBF he had never enough time to rest and recover.
* Andrey said the leader propagated wrong information about me and my wife (who was from Kiev) after we left UBF, in order to put us in a bad light
* Before conferences, they had 15 different meetings a week in Kiev (in Heidelberg, it was similar, by the way) where they had to come to the center
* The leader ordered some to run to the station, singing songs. Those who refused to run were kicked out.
* Those who came late to the meetings were ordered to buy food for the others (which is costly and time-consuming in Kiev)
* Those who wanted to visit their parents in the summer holidays were publicly dispraised
* It was not allowed to date or to marry without approval of the pastor
* Those members who attended other churches in Kiev were considered “lost sheep”
* You could not be in a good standing with UBF without attending *all* meetings
* One shepherdess was told to come to a meeting, although she had fever and her infant at home
* When the wife of the leader left the hospital in order to attend a UBF meeting, though she was on a drip, this was presented as exemplary behavior
* If you leave Kiev and visit another church in another town, you are denounced by the leader
* For those who lived in “common life” apartments it was mandatory to attend the early morning meeting at 6:30am in the center
* Those who are not active in the church are regularly criticized in public
* The leader blamed the members with the words “even my children (3 and 10 years old) are giving more tithes than you do”
* The members are told to obey *everything* the leader commands, even if it seems to be false
* Every week you need to write a “sogam” with a list of your own problems and application of the Bible to your life, and have to share it in public. Those who do not write are publicly denounced.
* UBF exerts “training” for “spiritual education”. Some demands of these trainings are given as if they came out of the mouth of Jesus Christ directly. Only God can demand such things from others.
* In Kiev, one of the trainings was to hold a chair over the head (even the person who was defending UBF in that discussion was among the people who were trained that way).
* If you missed the early morning meetings, sometimes money was collected as a punitive measure.
* The leader regularly said “we are the disciples of Jesus Christ, we are more similar to the first church, in other churches the people compromise”
* You were not allowed to miss the many meetings during the preparation phase for the conferences.
* The leader said “I regret having founded the marriage of Ivan and Ira”
I can also add another story I was told by another ex Kiev UBF member. He once missed the Sunday service, because he drove to another town. When he came back, he was kicked out of his home (a UBF “brothers’ common life” apartment) by the leader (though the leader of course was not even living in that apartment), and he had to spend the night in the railway station. That happened in winter.